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TOJ moto - slim, not tight; falling to right above the waistband, perhaps a bit on the short side. The sleeves and body are straight cut on this so measuring ideal lengths should be easier (or harder). The keystone measurement for getting a good fit IMO would be the shoulder width. Give me a shoulder to shoulder measurement in a half-inch increment, and then let me know whether you have a broad chest or not; most people will fit into the house torso body pattern, some guys with particularly large upper bodies will want to get a combination of accordian sleeve backs and a slight bump out of the p2p to give it some chest. I also need to know your bicep circumference, flexed and unflexed, to decide on a sleeve size. The house cut (body+sleeves) pattern is for skinny guys with pretty much no muscle.
A2- same as above, but less tapered in on the sides as it has the ribbed waistband, so the back has a relaxed fit. The front upper body when zipped comes in close to the body, the rest is slightly relaxed as a bomber does. Again -> shoulder to shoulder, pit to pit, and then body and sleeve length and bicep circumference. I think this jacket looks better sitting on the waistband as well, as it's still a very slim cut jacket. It's probably the most deceiving of the jackets as it doesn't seem that way on the hanger, but put on, my first thought was 'old Dior Homme'.... so yeah it too is a slim jacket that will look best right on the waistline...